The subtleties of using Vetonit LR finishing putty. We level the ceiling with a solution of vetonite with a wide spatula. Puttying the walls and ceiling

Finishing and - Vetonit LR +.
It is almost perfectly puttied, but under the 300W lamp, traces of a spatula, risks, and so on are visible in places. Began to overwrite, but it wasn’t there - it’s not possible

I tried first to use a larger fraction of sandpaper, then a smaller one ...
Tried a dozen sandpaper with dec. grit, different manufacturers ...
Tried different. holders and bars for paper...
Tried to overwrite in decomp. directions...

The result is the same - the layers are removed, and dashes from the emery remain nearby. Moreover, they disappear only if you reach Fugenfüller (the previous layer of putty), which is extremely unhappy

Has anyone rubbed Vetonit LR + for painting? Share how to deal with this capricious putty?

Minor skin scratches are acceptable. I usually use 60 or 80 mesh for finishing sanding.

2ArchiS:
There are meshes for grinding such different sizes cells (sold on hozrynkah in packs of 10 pieces) on the holders. Grinding them is more convenient than sandpaper and they are perfectly cleaned.

small scratches that are visible under the lamp will not be noticeable after painting, I also sanded another finishing putty, then I was horrified by what I saw under the lamp, redid it again countless times, and when I painted it, I realized that I tried so hard in vain

2ArchiS,
Fight - with a layer of finishing putty.
Vetonit LR + has a rather large filler. When sanding with anything, it crumbles, and defects remain on the surface in place of large grains that have flown out. (Especially if LR+ was mixed without Vetonit Dispersion's recommended instructions).

We discussed this in detail with pictures on the old forum, but after the move, that topic, something like
"Texture LR+"
gone somewhere and is not found by any search.

Each builder in his craft has faced a huge number of various kinds finishing materials. The most popular representative of the list of materials intended for preparing the walls of the house for painting and cladding is the putty mixture. There are a lot of them on the market and from various manufacturers, but today one of the most popular is Vetonit putty or weber.vetonit LR +. Every owner of the house, who makes repairs in his secluded place, sees in construction stores and gypsum, and polymer, and cement and other types of finishing material, but putties from manufacturers such as Vetonit are always available. These are the two most trusted manufacturers who supply only high-quality repair materials.

The advantage of putty from Vetonit is that it has the status of a finish. This means that shortly after applying the solution to the wall, it can be painted and wallpapered. It consists of high-quality material intended for finishing work, so you should not wait until the mortar on the wall dries. You need to know that in each putty mixture There are three types of component:

• the foundation;
• aggregate;
• binder.

Sand was taken as the basis for the manufacture of putty. Limestone here acts as a filler, and polymer glue is a binder. Putty is packaged in bags weighing 5 and 25 kilograms, and the manufacturer himself is part of the Saint-Gobain group.

Basic properties

This putty has the function of all other finishing materials from manufacturers other than Venonit. It levels the surface of the walls after construction and plastering. It can be used not only on smooth surfaces, but also on drywall walls or ceiling. The mixture is almost odorless and looks like a light gray powder, but it is listed as "white" by the manufacturer.

Vetonit LR+ should be applied in a 5mm thick layer, according to the company, but this is not required. In this case, the mixture dries much longer, which is not very convenient for fast finishing works. This is clearly a non-moisture resistant putty, and it is not intended for installation. ceramic tiles or under ceiling moldings. Remember that this is putty, not glue! After drying, the material is very “fragile”, therefore, it is not suitable for holding any heavy things on the wall, but the wallpaper withstands quite well.

25 kilograms of putty base are diluted in nine liters of water. It is worth stirring the mixture with a puncher or drill with a special mixer nozzle to a thick (but not solid or liquid) state. After that, it should be infused for 10 minutes, thicken and be mixed again.

The main advantages of weber.vetonit LR+

What do they consist of main advantages putties from the Vetonit company?

• The mixture is very easy to apply even on a not very flat surface. If the builder is a master of his craft and knows how to properly apply putty, then after applying the mixture, you will not need to additionally grind the walls;
• after drying, the putty becomes loose, which allows it to be easily sanded to a smooth surface. Comparing the putty from Vetonit and from Knauf, the second one is polished very reluctantly and hard, which cannot be said about weber.vetonit LR +, because no effort is needed to eliminate irregularities;
• finishing material can be stored for a very long time even after adding water and mixing. Putty can be left for as long as 3 days and after opening the lid, a completely workable putty mixture will “wait” for you. To use it, you need to mix the mixture again with a perforator with a mixer.

Despite the fact that there are quite pleasant advantages of putty, after operation, disadvantages can also be found. As mentioned earlier, the putty mixture does not have moisture resistance, which imposes a number of difficulties on the process of applying building materials. What is the difficulty? For example, you are engaged in wallpapering. After gluing one layer of paper, you suddenly notice a layer of air under it. It is almost impossible to “push” it out, and when peeling off the wallpaper, the putty is removed along with them, which is not very pleasant. To prevent this from happening, you need to apply putty more carefully and level the surface so that there are no air bubbles under the paper. The above case does not happen often, but nevertheless the fact remains.

This putty can be used for painting walls, but this is highly discouraged. Nevertheless, the finishing material from Vetonit has an increased fraction and after application, the surface is quite rough. For example, in a mixture of it, it has a softer structure and using it for painting is a good solution. For the average builder who wishes to do wall cladding in a house, a rough surface of putty will be acceptable. If you decide to use Vetonit for paint, then it is better to apply the mixture in two layers.

The first layer is used to smooth out irregularities, and the second for painting. In order for everything to work out for you, you need to wait for 100% drying of the first layer, and then apply the second one. You should not worry, because a layer less than 5 mm thick will dry for about 4 hours, and a 5 mm layer should be expected to dry for at least one day. As you can see, applying weder.vetonit LR+ putty for painting is not the most good decision for fast wall cladding, since the entire application procedure will take at least 8 hours.

Conclusion

Judging by the reviews of happy users of Vetonit putty, it can be argued that it is popular for a reason. The mixture is an excellent option for gluing paper wallpaper on the wall. For painting, it is far from suitable for everyone, since its application is a rather long and laborious process. The great thing is that you can leave it for a few days, come in, open a bucket of putty mixture, mix and proceed immediately to the work in progress. Of the features, we note a strong structure, high-quality materials in the composition, as well as ease of application and grinding.

We level the ceiling in a raw way in cases where the level differences are not more than 5 cm. For example, to remove inter-plate joints, cracks and potholes in the ceiling. Raw ceiling alignment is suitable for smoothing out differences between tiles (this common problem in modern buildings).

Preparing the ceiling for leveling

We cover the furniture in the room with construction film or take it out of the room. It is also necessary to lay a construction film on the floor, which will further reduce the amount of cleaning.

Cleaning the ceiling surface

Next is the most important trick: we sharpen the spatula with a bar so that it cuts like a knife. This tool will carry out the main work. We do not take a spatula that is too wide, because the pressure will spread to large area, and accordingly, we will have to make more efforts. Then we scrape off layers of plaster, paint, old whitewash to concrete slab. This work is tedious and hard, but necessary. Especially you need to carefully scrape the joint and seams with the walls.

Ceiling primer

We sharpen the spatula periodically, the timber should always be at hand. After warm water and wash off the remnants of whitewash with a sponge. We constantly change the water, otherwise the lime will be smeared on the ceiling. When the ceiling is completely dry, we treat it with a roller or brush with a primer for slightly absorbent materials (for example, Betonokontakt). It is desirable to use a primer of the same brand as the gypsum mixture, which we will later level the ceiling with. We especially pay attention to the corners and seams - here you can’t do without a brush, and we prime the rest with a roller. When the soil is dry, we begin to level the ceiling.

Rough ceiling leveling

Solution preparation

For alignment, prepare a solution. To do this, we use a mixture of Knauf Rotband. Before use, strictly follow the instructions on the package - knead the solution in cold water and mix well after 5 minutes. after kneading, otherwise the solution will dry out directly on the spatula. The mixture dries very quickly, so it does not cost much to knead it. Compared with the wall, leveling the ceiling is much more difficult, and the solution is immediately large quantities apply will not work, and the rest after 25 ... 30 minutes. will have to be thrown away in the form of a frozen monolith. It is better to knead in a plastic basin of 3 ... 5 kg.

Applying mortar to the ceiling

We put the solution with a small spatula on the iron, put it on one side. We do not apply the solution to the edges, because it will be squeezed out and flow. Then we stroked with the solution to the ceiling and stretch it along with little pressure, as if rubbing the solution into the ceiling. You need to press so that the solution sticks to the ceiling with us, and not completely squeezed out onto the floor.

The technology of applying the solution to the ceiling

We level the ceiling in several layers, so there is no need to try to fill in the entire deep irregularities - we make the mortar layer of such a thickness that it normally holds (no more than 1.5 ... 2 cm). Also, do not try to apply the solution without bubbles and seams - this is very difficult task requiring a lot of time. All this will be equalized by the following layers, for a start, the main thing is to eliminate large irregularities.

Applying a second coat to the ceiling

The solution sets very quickly, so while we finish it, in the place where we started, we can already continue to work. We cut off the seams with a spatula, again, we do not worry about evenness. To detect protruding bumps and seams, we apply a plinth or a flat rail. It is better to cut the bumps and seams immediately. Next, do not wait until the layer dries, but take on the second layer. We apply it in approximately the same way as the first one.

The process of applying the third layer

Then the last layer (3 layers came out, but with small irregularities it can be less, with large ones, respectively, more) we eliminate minor bumps, seams, pits of bubbles, etc. We make the solution for the last layer thinner and apply it with a medium or wide spatula. Again, we leave the seams alone - after drying, it is easier to remove them with sandpaper. Having applied the last layer, we wait until it is completely dry, after the seams and irregularities we clean it with coarse-grained sandpaper. We clean the ceiling from dust with a brush or a damp cloth, cover it with soil (we make the solution liquid and apply it with a spray gun).

Materials for leveling the ceiling:

• Soil type betonokontakt;
• Gypsum mixture Rotband;
• Finishing putty Vetonit LR+

Tools for work:

• Spatulas: 5 ... 10 cm, 15 cm, 70 cm;
• Metal irons;
• Drill with a nozzle to stir the solution;
• Sandpaper;
• Construction foam

Finishing the ceiling

For this, we use a finishing putty of the Vetonit LR + type. The solution, without fear, immediately knead in large quantities (shelf life 2 days)

Hello dear visitors! This time we will get acquainted with a whole phenomenon in the world of finishing materials. The hero of the day today will be putty, whose name for craftsmen has long been a household name - putty Vetonit (weber.vetonit LR+).

Now in building stores there are dozens, if not hundreds of types of various putties: gypsum, cement, polymer. But two brands stand apart, they are available always and everywhere, and have been producing them for more than a dozen years. Yes, yes, the first one is Vetonit. And what is the second one? If you are a decorator, then you probably know the answer.

This is sheetrock. There will also be a separate article about him. This item is very, very high quality. In order not to miss the material about, subscribe to updates, the post will be very useful for everyone!

But for now, we are talking about the weber.vetonit LR+ product.

That is what they mean when they say "vetonit". This is a finishing putty on a polymer binder. What does "finish" mean? And the fact that after its application, wallpaper and / or painting, that is, finishing coatings, already go directly.

In other words, such a mixture forms a high-quality coating, ready for painting and wallpapering. As for the binder. Any mortar consists of filler and binder. The aggregate is usually sand, limestone is what forms the bulk of the composition. And the binder holds the aggregate particles together and, of course, provides adhesion to the base surface. In this putty, the binder is a kind of polymer glue, and limestone serves as a filler.

Our hero is produced by Weber-Vetonit, part of the Saint-Gobain group. Packed in paper bags of 25 and 5 kg.

Basic properties

The purpose of this putty mixture is to level walls and ceilings in dry rooms before wallpapering and painting. It is used on all types of smooth surfaces made of mineral materials and drywall. Formally, it has a white (in practice, slightly grayish) color, as well as its own weak specific smell.

By the way, it costs in our village (Ryazan is called, you may have heard) in the region of 650-700 rubles for 25 kg.

It should be remembered that it is not moisture resistant, not suitable as a base for laying tiles and as an adhesive for anything. For example, some manage to glue on it ceiling plinths. This cannot be done. Its structure is rather loose and fragile, which, however, does not affect its ability to hold wallpaper on itself, but can play a fatal role when trying, for example, to seal the joints of the Civil Code sheets with it.

Water consumption is 9 liters per 25 kg bag. The mixture is stirred with a drill or puncher with a mixer to the state of sour cream, after which it is allowed to infuse for 10 minutes. This time is needed for better dissolution of the binder. It is noticed that after these 10 minutes the mixture thickens a little. Then it is re-mixed.

Again, a separate article will be published about the technique of puttying walls and ceilings, the topic is very important, so subscribing to updates is a sacred thing!)) The article will contain a couple of my know-how, and I will just use Vetonit. And now it's time to find out what are the secrets of his popularity?

The main advantages of weber.vetonit LR+

I counted three of them:

1. Ease of application with almost complete absence of layer differences. If desired and with due skill, you can putty the surface under the wallpaper so that grinding is not required at all.
2. If necessary, the putty is very easy to grind due to its somewhat looseness. And this is very important. For example, plaster universal putty from Knauf) just a star is polished how hard. When I first tried Vetonit after him, I was amazed - no effort.
3. Marvelous long term life. If you have mixed too much putty and do not have time to work it all out, just cover the container with it with a lid. The next day, she will be waiting for you in the same condition in which you left her. It has been verified that for 2-3 days she calmly waits in the wings in a bucket, ready to go. You just need to stir it again.

Of course, the hero of the article also has a drawback. It's the lack of moisture resistance.

Let's say we are wallpapering. They glued the strip, when they suddenly noticed a jam or a bubble that just couldn’t be smoothed out. Needs to be removed and re-glued. So, there is some probability that the strip will be partially removed along with the putty. To be honest, this has never happened to me yet, because I carefully prime the surface before and after puttying, plus I apply it in a certain way so that it lies more densely. But such cases are known. But I don't know of any other disadvantages.

Unless I can recommend using it for painting. Still, his fraction is too big for this, and visually the surface turns out to be rougher than when using Sheetrock. But after all, I am a sophisticated user, for you, such a surface is likely to be more than acceptable. Once I had to paint the ceiling on the loggia according to Vetonit (there was no choice), I carefully sanded it and covered it with two layers of white paint. From the floor, I did not see even the slightest defects. Here is the ceiling:

In this article, we will cover the topic of how to quickly, efficiently and effectively conduct one of the most popular repair work- preparation of walls or ceilings for painting or wallpapering.
It would seem that quite simple work, but often masters face a number of problems.

Plaster

Problem: the appearance of cracks, falling off of the plaster from the surface (may appear several years after the repair).

Solution: observe the drying time of the previous layer (1-2 days), do not apply too thick layers at a time, the most important thing is to choose high-quality mixtures with good fillers and binders.

Finishing putty

Problem: the complexity of working with the material, putty does not stretch well for a spatula, therefore, to create even coverage considerable skill is required even from professionals, while the finish is slightly grayish, grainy. When sanding, it is very dusty, the graininess does not disappear.

Solution: choose better quality finishing putties. They are easier to apply, even non-professionals can work with them, and the consumption of the product is less, since it is easier to “stretch” it along the wall. The coating is much more even, there are almost no visible defects; when sanding, such putty almost does not produce dust.

To show by example how to properly prepare a wall for painting or wallpapering, we have chosen products popular among professionals: moisture resistant cement plaster weber.vetonit TT, finishing white putty weber.vetonit LR+ and ready-made superfinish putty weber.vetonit LR pasta. WEBER-VETONIT products were not chosen by chance, this brand is well-deservedly popular among craftsmen and end users due to the quality of materials and ease of use.

We prepare the base

In our case, the surface to be processed has a number of problems: from a large number local defects on the surface to a significant deviation of the wall from the vertical plane.

Before starting work, it is imperative to prepare the surface: we remove substances such as dust, grease and dirt that impair adhesion, the base must be clean and dry. We protect all surfaces that cannot be processed (windows, doors, frames) with adhesive tape, polyethylene or newspapers.

Carrying out basic leveling of the surface

We prepare the solution according to the instructions: dry mix weber.vetonit TT pour out of the 25 kg bag into a bucket with 5-6 liters clean water, mix for 3-5 minutes using a drill with a nozzle, let the solution stand for 10 minutes and mix again.

After that, we apply the plaster mixture to the surface manually using a steel spatula or mechanically. Each layer of weber.vetonit TT dries within 1-2 days, and the next layer of plaster can be applied only after the previous one has completely dried. In dry conditions, it is recommended to moisten the leveled surface with water from a spray bottle.

After the leveling process is completed, we process the dried surface with sanding paper and remove dust.

Note that if we are talking about smooth walls or plasterboard ceilings, then the stage of processing the walls with plaster can be skipped, and immediately proceed to surface treatment with a white finishing putty.

We carry out the final coating

white solution finishing putty weber.vetonit LR+ prepare according to the instructions: pour the dry mixture from a 25 kg bag into a bucket with 8-9 liters of clean water (not vice versa), mix with a drill for 3-5 minutes, let it stand for 10 minutes, and mix again.

As a result, we get a superplastic mixture, which is very convenient to apply on the surface with a thin layer 1-5 mm thick, both with a steel spatula and mechanically. Depending on the temperature and humidity in the room, one layer of weber.vetonit LR+ putty dries completely in 1-2 days. Then small defects are very easily removed with sandpaper.

After the layer has completely dried, we process the surface with sanding paper and remove dust. If leveling is performed in several layers, each next layer can be applied only after the previous one has dried.

The benefits of putty weber.vetonit LR+

• Just: putty is so plastic and easy to use that leveling the walls will not be difficult even for beginners, it is enough to follow the manufacturer's instructions and recommendations.
• Fast: the superplasticity of the mixture allows you to quickly level the surface and ideally bring the layers together.
• Smooth: the minimum number of layers makes it possible to get a smooth and even, ready for wallpapering.

In principle, treated walls top coat many masters recommend walls for traditional painting, but we will use one more innovative product to create a flawless, perfect smooth finish under high-quality painting.

We carry out a superfinishing coating for painting

If it's about the best repair, then the wall for painting should be mirror-smooth without the slightest graininess. To obtain such a surface, we will use an innovative high-quality product - a super-finish ready-made putty. weber.vetonit LR pasta
Weber.vetonit LR Pasta is available in a plastic bucket ready for application, so it is doubly convenient to work with. The principle of operation is the same as with the finishing putty, the difference lies in the thickness of the layers - as a rule, they do not exceed 1.5 mm in one application. After drying, the surface is processed with sanding paper and dusted.

Advantages of superfinish putty weber.vetonit LR pasta

• Conveniently: weber.vetonit LR Pasta is ready to use.
• Qualitatively: convenient application thin layers 0.2 - 3 mm.
• Ideally: absolutely smooth and dazzling white surface for high-quality painting with glossy or semi-gloss paints.

Finish coat weber.vetonit LR+ and superfinishing paste weber.vetonit LR pasta work perfectly in pairs, allowing you to get an impeccable result on the surface.

The ideal smoothness and evenness of the surface is comparable to a sheet of paper, previously such repair results were impossible or extremely difficult, but today it is simple and affordable.

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