Interview with Natalia Polonskaya. Natalia Poklonskaya: it's time to publicize the personal life of "children of Donbass we treat in Crimea"

. And all this - in the centenary of the revolution. Won't the fight against "Matilda" kindle discord in our society?

Maybe the film was created specifically for this purpose. Have you thought? It's not about a fictional character - about an Orthodox holy martyr. And after all, weren't specific actors specially selected for the role of the Russian sovereign and other characters?

There are many amazing actors in Russia. Have they ended? No, they are. Orthodox. But the German porn actor plays the Holy Martyr. Did the filmmakers really not understand that his image would not suit Orthodox believers, people who respect their own dignity? Respectful of their history. Those who come to church to bow to the saints.

It was impossible not to understand at the time the film was made. It is based on life and on characters that are not simple, not some fictional ones, but on Orthodox saints. On the first face of the Russian state.

The second actor who played the empress's psychiatrist. Also a German actor who spoke impartially about our country. An actor who spits on our history and treats us with disdain, our traditions, He says that he doesn’t set a foot in Russia, because Russia is an uncultured country, and that immorality reigns here, Supporting various destructive forces. According to the scenario, it is he who is attracted by the Russian Holy Empress to perform black magic rituals. Doesn't this fact hurt your self-esteem?

- But what difference does it make what the performers of the roles have behind them?

In this case, all factors must be taken into account. Especially for law enforcement and regulatory agencies.

Unfortunately, the opposite is true. Here the Ministry of Culture issued a rental certificate, but issued it in violation of the regulations. After all, the Public Council under the Ministry of Culture forgot to ask. Forgot to hold hearings. And why?

- Why did you choose "Matilda" from all the films discrediting our history?

I didn't choose. This is my job. Voters addressed me in writing and orally. And to tell people that you are not addressing your deputy with the issue that I would like to consider, it is very inconvenient for me, I cannot. I won't do that. Today people contact me from Lugansk and Donetsk with such letters. I can't help but talk about them. People say: “Natalya Vladimirovna, in Donetsk, when Bandera’s troops seize our churches, and we have no weapons, we are peaceful people, we have never taken up arms, we are old people, women, children, young guys - we take our most basic , the most sacred are icons. This is our faith. This is what keeps us going. We take the icon of the holy sovereign and the royal family. Unarmed! And we go to the armed Bandera without fear. And they can't do anything to us."

Why is it now allowed to insult what remains the most basic in the Donbass. What gives us strength and saves? This is our faith.

"EIDINGER, WHO PLAYED THE SOVEREIGN, PUSHED A SAUSAGE IN THE BACK"

- We recorded the opinion of people who spoke about this story. Comment.

Alexey Uchitel, director:

“Conclusions can only be drawn by looking at the picture. And the trailer is a set of several frames and I don’t see anything offensive there. Plus there was a request and there is a response from the prosecutor's office. And the answer says that everything is within the law.

- He notes that the prosecutor's office found no violations. Why do you keep writing deputy requests?

At present, I have not received a single response from the Prosecutor General, as required by law. Therefore, knowing the regulations of the Prosecutor's Office of the Russian Federation, I continue to write. Because the most important head of the State Duma deputy has not yet answered. Responsible only subordinate employees. It's all right. These are work questions. This is provided by departmental orders of the leadership. Therefore, the filmmaker should not worry about this. Everything is within the law. Checking in progress. No one takes measures that would infringe on the creator of this film. On the contrary, as far as I know, for any reason and without a reason, the director and his lawyer run to the prosecutor's office as to lawyers: help. The prosecutor's office, as a body that examines objectively and on the merits, accepts my arguments, and does not repulse, it treats the side of the Teacher and his good lawyer in a completely kind way.

Nikolai Svanidze, historian:

“It is historically reliable that Kshesinskaya had an affair with the future Tsar Nicholas II. In general, love is love. She can’t denigrate or stain anyone.”

- There is a conclusion of historians. Let those who do not agree with the conclusions invite scientists and discuss this topic.

The fact that love is different, you know, this, of course, is how everyone interprets this love for themselves. Love is pure and bright, but, unfortunately, not everyone can understand this. Love is now called in European countries marriage with a dog, with a cat. They make a wedding, leave a legacy. Man with a man. Maybe for some this is normal. For example, apparently, the German porn actor Lars Eidinger, who plays the holy Russian Sovereign, represents love in a different way. It is enough to look at what he is interested in and how he presents himself to the public. Either he is in shit, or with symbols of a secret satanic society, or with strangled babies in a bag. Either he hangs on the wall with a bare ass, or, excuse me, he managed to push himself a sausage into it.

Today it seems mystical, but a brutal murder was committed a hundred years ago. The sovereign and his entire family were brutally murdered. One gets the impression that the sacrifice is planned to be repeated. After all, the actor who played the Sovereign, apparently, positions himself as related to the society of Satanists (everyone can go to his instagram and see). Is this not blasphemous? Could this hurt the feelings of believers? Attention should also be paid to his comments today, which ridicule not Poklonskaya, but our history, Saints and faith.

Law enforcement agencies should pay attention to this.

In the soul of a Russian person there is still love for the Motherland. This is when you just protect her from everything dirty, vulgar. It must be loved, our Motherland. She's the only one with us. And I know it. And Crimeans know it. Because it has already been taken away from us, our Motherland. We were not allowed to speak Russian, including through art. The Nazis were heroes, the Bandera people were heroes. And all this was hammered into the heads there, in Ukraine, in Kyiv. When the slogans said fascist and said it was good. All this was done by artists. Therefore, the freedom of creativity cannot be unlimited. And she, too, can offend a person. We must respect each other, our Motherland and our history. And then we'll be fine. There is no other way.

“THE MATTER IS NOT ABOUT CENSORSHIP, BUT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW”

Alexander Volkov, press secretary of the Patriarch:

“As for the position of the Church, in my opinion, it is premature to make statements. We all have to wait for the movie to come out. I have already had the opportunity to see some version of this film, quite final. I have a lot of questions."

Why do you think the Church does not give its assessment of the events? After all, all speeches are private statements of priests.

The answer is simple. Everyone repeats, and it is written in the Constitution that we are a secular state. The church is separated from the state, therefore the position of the Russian Orthodox Church is clearly and clearly stated in the words of its representatives. I have this position written down from St. Archimandrite Abbot of Russia on Mount Athos Evlogy. And he cannot call this film anything but an insult and mockery of the feelings of believers. He did not see him - and is not going to look. And he says you can't watch it. Do you know why? Because the idea itself is already, the idea, the declared topic is based on unscrupulous rumors. It is obviously provocative. And it causes rejection in every person who values ​​\u200b\u200bits history. The very fact of staging such a “movie” in the great Orthodox country, which many other peoples look at with hope today, deeply saddens and depresses us on the holy Mount Athos, all pilgrims and clergymen.

This position is stated in writing and coincides with the opinion of other hierarchs of the Russian Orthodox Church.

“THE THOSE WHO CALLED TO BURN THE CINEMAS ITSELF TRIED TO BRING TO RESPONSIBILITY”

- But there were militants who called for burning cinemas. They are associated with you.

I will dispel all doubts. I prepared deputy requests for these people to be checked and held accountable for displaying extremist activity. Unfortunately, I received an answer to my inquiries that law enforcement agencies did not find any signs of offenses or crimes in the statements of these persons. Therefore, no one was attracted anywhere. But if it is, then something is wrong. What provoked them? The fact that, in their opinion, insulting the feelings of believers is happening, including for public money.

"CHILDREN OF DONBASS WE TREAT IN CRIMEA"

Vladimir Solovyov, TV presenter:

“I would use all this agility to fight corruption. Poklonskaya heads this particular commission in the State Duma. But we hear about her only in the sphere of her religious views. But in the Duma, she is not in charge of the Inquisition Commission.”

- Name three completed cases that really benefited people.

Our information space is arranged in such a way that when you do a good, good deed, it either causes negativity, or it is uninteresting, it is not readable. And when there is a conflict somewhere, you can already talk here. The field of activity is such that you can judge each other ...

What I have done, I have published repeatedly on my pages. On the website of the Duma, you can see what results, how many appeals were considered. For example, since January 1, 2017, I have considered about 3 thousand requests. Ask the deputies whether someone else has this amount or not since the New Year. And I only have two assistants. The three of us sit and work. We don't throw them away. These are those appeals (about 3,000) that are associated with long periods of detention, unlawful criminal prosecution, unreasonable refusal to initiate criminal proceedings, violation of the rights of victims, and others. For example, in St. Petersburg, the corpses of relatives of one of the applicants with multiple stab wounds were found, as a result, the material was rejected. She asks, help, please, I can not achieve a legal solution. The inheritance is gone, rewritten to other enterprises, other legal entities, partners of the killed. According to my deputy requests (also numerous), the case is initiated and investigated, she is recognized as a victim. Is this a good deed? Assess yourself. For the person whom I helped, this is a good deed, for others - I don’t know. Then there is an appeal, let’s say this: “Natalya Vladimirovna, we can’t get from the Crimea, from Lugansk, from Donetsk, send the child for treatment to Moscow, because we need to diagnose, we need to purchase medical drugs.” We help, we guide the children. Do you know how many of these children we sent to Moscow? We made a free reception, diagnostics in the Crimea. They took doctors from the Moscow Tushino Clinical Hospital. They did a free diagnostic. 29 children (together with their parents) were taken to Moscow for treatment.

You can talk a lot. Need to do. If anyone is interested in my work, please check it out. It's nice when people appreciate and then write good letters in response.

QUESTION OF THE DAY

And which side are you on in the Matilda situation?

Victor MEREZHKO, screenwriter, film director:

Vitaly MILONOV, State Duma deputy:

The film frankly aims to undermine the authority of state power. And we should have made such films in the West, but we don't. And they do it for us. And in 20 years, after retiring, a high-ranking US official will tell us how they pushed this film.

Yes, Nicholas II was canonized. But this does not mean that he did not live the life of an ordinary person and could not have a mistress. And this does not mean that today we cannot discuss it.

Yuri GRYMOV, artistic director of the theater "Modern":

A director has to be as confident as possible in his film in order to defend it in such a way and participate in this story. It is obvious that everyone will now rush to watch Matilda. If the picture turns out to be bad, it will be a serious blow both to the Teacher and to all his defenders.

Alikhan TSECHOEV, Permanent Representative of Ingushetia under the President of the Russian Federation:

We are on the side of common sense. Any film that is released should be addressed to everyone, not be marked "16 +", bring peace and a unifying note with it ...

Evgeny GERASIMOV, actor, head of the Moscow City Duma Commission on Culture:

How can I tell which side I'm on if I haven't seen the movie? Thanks to criticism, interest in the picture has grown many times, including abroad. I'll definitely go take a look.

Sergey LUKYANENKO, science fiction writer:

I am completely indifferent to this situation. Not sure if I will watch this movie. Not interesting... But it would be absurd to ban Matilda.

Artem REMIZOV, listener of Radio Komsomolskaya Pravda (97.2 FM):

I am on the side of justice. And what we are seeing now is some kind of blatant bacchanalia ... I think time will put everything in its place.

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Natalya Poklonskaya - "KP": The freedom of creativity is not unlimited, it can offend. Matilda is an example of this. Will the fight against the Teacher's film lead to a new revolution? What does Poklonskaya do, besides fighting the scandalous film? The State Duma deputy told KP about this in a long interview.

MEANWHILE

Ramzan Kadyrov asked the Minister of Culture to ban "Matilda" in Chechnya

Here the scandal around the film about the novel of Nicholas II and the ballerina Matilda Kshesinskaya reached the Russian regions. The head of the Chechen Republic Ramzan Kadyrov asked the Minister of Culture Vladimir Medinsky to ban the film directed by Alexei Uchitel - Kadyrov's letter was at the disposal of KP

During one of the TV broadcasts, one of my colleagues gave me his book. It was Maxim Grigoriev, director of the Foundation for the Study of Democracy, a member of the Public Chamber. And the book was called - "Crimea: the history of the return." I read it with pleasure and with the kind permission of the author, I want to acquaint my readers with a very interesting interview with the incredibly and deservedly popular prosecutor of Crimea Natalia Poklonskaya in our country, which is published in this book.

Source: M. S. Grigoriev, O. F. Kovitidi "Crimea: the history of the return", M., Kuchkovo field, 2014. (p. 185-190)

"N. Poklonskaya: “I want my child to live in an honest country, not in Bandera ...”

Before reunification with Russia: Senior Prosecutor of the 2nd Division of the Main Directorate for Supervision of Compliance with Laws in Criminal Proceedings of the General Prosecutor's Office of Ukraine. After reunification with Russia: Prosecutor of the Republic of Crimea.

M. Grigoriev: As far as I know, you worked in the prosecutor's office for more than twelve years, and before working in Kyiv, you were deputy head of the department of the Crimean prosecutor's office for overseeing the observance of laws by special forces that fought against organized crime. At the same time, according to Ukrainian practice, prosecutors not only dealt with issues of supervision, but also conducted pre-trial investigations into the activities of criminal groups themselves. How did it happen that in Kyiv it was you who conducted the affairs related to the Euromaidan?

N. Poklonskaya: Two years before the Maidan, I was transferred from Crimea to the Prosecutor General's Office in Kyiv. First, Mena was appointed to the position of an ordinary prosecutor, then - senior prosecutor of the 2nd department of procedural management of pre-trial investigation and support of public prosecution of the Department for Supervision of Compliance with Laws by Internal Affairs Bodies of the Main Directorate for Supervision of Compliance with Laws in Criminal Proceedings of the Prosecutor General's Office of Ukraine. Our department was then called the "9th company", we had 40 people, and all the bad things went to us - the most relevant, resonant ones.

I remember how on the Day of the Prosecutor's Office we were congratulated by the Minister of Internal Affairs, the Prosecutor General - solemnly, beautifully. And the next day at 7:30 in the morning they called and told everyone to urgently go to work. From that moment on, Maidan did not stop for us. Kyiv was assigned to me. And then the Maidanovites began to block us. Then I was still struck by the inaction of the Ukrainian law enforcement agencies.

First, huge pans were placed near the prosecutor's office, then they began to burn bonfires at the entrance to the prosecutor's office, to organize provocations. Somehow we come to work, and they lay down on the ground at the entrance in four rows, and we had to step over, and correspondents microphone in the face and asked to comment on why we step over people. I also remember very well how I was walking out of the church and suddenly heard shots. All this time, many employees of the prosecutor's office hoped that a command would come to stop violations of the law. And others spoke - for democracy. There was already a conflict in the team.

M. Grigoriev: You once described what happened on the Maidan as follows: “From the ashes, from hell, from hell, the devils just crawled out and staged their fights there. It's drumming at night, like the Indians, you know, drumming all the time. I don't know what they drank, what they ate, but they didn't get tired." What happened after these people occupied government buildings?

N. Poklonskaya: When they seized power, instead of the police at the entrance, the Maidan Self-Defense immediately stood up with machine guns on their shoulders, and O. Makhnitsky, appointed by A. Turchinov, came to us. He spoke, stated that he was a lawyer, and then asked what wishes or thoughts he had. After that, some guy came to the stands, began to read a poem about the Motherland, to tell how he went to the Maidan, about the “heavenly hundred”, about what heroes they are, and then said that now we will live according to new laws. And from the hall they began to shout the same thing. And I wanted to fall through the ground. It remains only to fasten the swastika to everyone. Calls immediately began, threats from the former defendants, who now declared that they were heroes and Maidan supporters. It was not so much scary as it was disgusting and insulting that now I won’t be able to put on a uniform - well, how can you serve the Nazis? It was annoying that I had worked for eleven years and achieved everything on my own, not with the help of acquaintances, a matchmaker, or a brother. And now such a disgrace that it is necessary to throw. I came to the head of the department with a report, he reassured me. Then I specially put on the St. George ribbon so that they knew that there were still normal people left, and went to the head of the central office, and he was from Western Ukraine. He says to me: what are you thinking? Maybe you are tired? And I show him the tape and say: I'm not tired, I'm ashamed to come here. He sent me on vacation, but I left my resignation letter on the table and already knew that I would not return to Kyiv.

I packed my things, and then I bought cookies and went to the hospital to support the police guys who were there. The taxi driver was very surprised, because they supported the Maidan. As an employee of the prosecutor's office, they let me through, I met with those who were in the hospital. I remember a 19-year-old guy from Dnepropetrovsk, who by that time served only four months and spent three of them on the Maidan. I stretch out my hand to him and say: thank you, I came to say, you are real heroes. And the guy answers me: from the very first day I did not understand why we were beaten? Nobody beat me like that in my life. From the leadership, not a single high-ranking official came to them and shook hands. On March 6, I left for the Crimea and on the 7th I was already at home. There was a checkpoint of the Maidanovites on the highway, everyone was searched, those who were going to the Crimea were recorded.

M. Grigoriev: Please tell us how your appointment to the post of prosecutor of the Republic of Crimea took place and how did you manage to start the work of the prosecutor's office?

In one of your interviews, you said that you want to express gratitude to the leadership of Crimea for the fact that “they found the courage, patriotism in themselves and did not pack their things, did not go somewhere abroad, well, as many do - to escape from the country and live calmly in a beautiful environment - but they stood up for us, for the people. And I saw that hope that here, here people, everything seems to be fine, people stood up, people defend their point of view, well done, not traitors. on the winning side?

N. Poklonskaya: With my appointment, everything is very simple. On March 8, I went to Simferopol to see S. Aksenov. I saw in him a courageous, worthy patriot who cares about what is happening. And she said that I want to help and I am ready to be anyone, just to remain a patriot and fight for justice, and not like in Ukraine, where even the devilish church of Satan was officially legalized. S. Aksenov asked to be in touch, and the next day they called me asking me to speak live. D. Polonsky held a round table on television. On March 9, I expressed my attitude to the Maidan live. Some called on the air, asked questions, and one woman said that I was not telling the truth, and so on. I thanked her for the call and said that opinions can be different. And the next day I was appointed Prosecutor of the Republic of Crimea. At that moment, the prosecutor's office was practically gone, people were afraid to come into the building.

I insisted on holding a referendum, and some employees of the prosecutor's office said that they had families and needed to stay at home, wait it out.

When we arrived at the prosecutor's office, all the doors were sealed, there were no keys to the doors. The staff said they didn't know anything. I went with the team - only ten people - but they were not afraid. I am grateful to all of them for their support. We even had to break down some doors and then change the locks. For example, my office door. It was made of good wood, but the main thing is not a door or an office, but an attitude to service, to duty, to the Motherland, which is what I called people to. Some employees of the prosecutor's office even wanted to initiate a case against me, tried to ban the referendum, wrote that I had seized power, threatened with responsibility. They called me and shouted into the phone that I was a criminal. And I calmly answered them that their criminals were Maidanovites. They threatened me: you thought in general what would happen to you - a group had already left for you, and they would take you to the cell. They sent all sorts of papers, they scared us that we would be held criminally liable for organizing a referendum. My comrades called and said that they had to initiate cases against me under the article on the seizure of power and that if I now leave the Crimean prosecutor's office, they will not touch me, they will regard this as a voluntary refusal to commit a crime. I told them: thank you very much for warning me, but I am not a criminal, but those who seized power in Kyiv, and I will not refuse anything. And someone else called with threats that if I expect to live to see the trial, it will not work.

But our main task was to launch the work of the prosecutor's office for the benefit of the people. And we did it.

M. Grigoriev: And how many employees are there in the Prosecutor's Office of Crimea? And how many went to work.

N. Poklonskaya: There were about 900 people in total, about 360 in the central office, and about 30 went to work. Many took sick leave and vacations on purpose. Then gradually people began to catch up. And about 20 people left for Kyiv. As a result, we still launched the work of the prosecutor's office. Citizens began to apply - they saw that we were working in the interests of the people.

M. Grigoriev: I know that even now in Ukraine a criminal case has been initiated against you, you have been put on the wanted list. You once said that you would do everything to make your child proud that he lives in such a great power as the Russian Federation. I will quote your words: “So that my daughter honors the memory of those who died in the Great Patriotic War. To honor the memory of my two grandfathers who died in this war. So that the monuments are not destroyed. I want my child to live in an honest country, and not in Bandera, treacherous, Nazi. I was ashamed that I was a citizen of that state. My grandmother called me and cried: the times when there was an occupation are returning. She is 86 years old. She remembers the Germans and remembers the Ukrainian policemen. How they mocked! How will I look my grandmother in the eyes if I put on a uniform and serve this very Galicia? When you think about it, there is no fear.”22 Tell me, did you have any share of uncertainty in those days?

N. Poklonskaya: Did not have. And now no. When I wrote the letter of resignation, I also had no doubts. After all, I saw with my own eyes how Molotov cocktails were thrown on the Maidan. I made up my mind and was ready for anything. S. Aksenov at one meeting said that we have no way back, and I thought so too.

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33-year-old Natalya Poklonskaya was appointed by the Supreme Council of Crimea to the position of Crimean prosecutor just a few days ago, but immediately got to work. According to her, the primary task of the Prosecutor's Office of Crimea now is to ensure the free and safe expression of the will of the Crimeans in the referendum, after which the main supervisory agency of the republic plans to return to its regular mode of operation and engage in all other usual activities. At our request, the newly appointed prosecutor commented on her appointment, spoke about herself and gave a legal assessment of the actions of the opposition politicians and nationalists who seized power in Kyiv.

Protect the choice of Crimeans

Natalya Vladimirovna, despite such a short period of time after your appointment, we cannot but ask: did you manage to get used to your new place?

Now my main task is to organize the work of the Prosecutor's Office of Crimea, which was disrupted by the events in Kyiv. I had to gather a team, reassure and set up the employees so that everyone would begin to fulfill their duties. The prosecutor's office, as a supervisory body, is obliged to ensure compliance with the laws during the all-Crimean referendum. I am sure that every Crimean wants to come to the polling station on the day of the referendum and express their free will, and we are obliged to provide all residents of the peninsula with such a constitutional right. Therefore, now we are making every effort to ensure that there are no provocations and other negative aspects, so that people can freely come to polling stations, vote and not be afraid for their lives.

How, in your opinion, can one regard the change of power in Kyiv?

The current usurpation of public authorities is illegal: from a legal point of view, the recent events in Kyiv are a constitutional coup and an armed seizure of power. This is a flagrant violation of all international norms. I spoke about this in the Prosecutor General's Office of Ukraine, where I worked before being appointed prosecutor of the Crimea, and I am not going to change my position.

But the same Oleksandr Turchynov, after the blessing of the Supreme Council of Ukraine, proclaimed himself acting president.

First, the concepts of "i. about. president" in the current conditions in the Ukrainian legislation simply cannot be! The legally elected and, accordingly, the only legitimate head of state is Viktor Yanukovych, and it is not so important where he is now. No matter what they say in Kyiv, Yanukovych is alive and well, speaks to the media, no one has re-elected him, he himself has not removed his presidential powers ahead of schedule. In addition, the Supreme Council of Ukraine did not impeach him, and there were no new elections of the head of state in Ukraine. Everything! When appointing Turchynov as acting president, the Ukrainian parliament referred to Article 112 of the Constitution of Ukraine, saying that Yanukovych withdrew from the exercise of constitutional powers. But even self-elimination under none of the laws gives grounds for early termination of the president's powers. Hence the main conclusion - the power in Kyiv is illegitimate.

When the Prosecutor General is an ally of Tyagnibok

But Turchinov, apparently, did not care about the laws. He took and began to appoint officials he liked in key departments. Many were amazed when they learned that a member of the Svoboda party, People's Deputy Oleg Makhnitsky, became the acting Prosecutor General of Ukraine.

Yes, given the extraordinary socio-political situation in the country, the violation of all norms, rights and freedoms of citizens, and seeing that the current illegitimate heads of the central authorities of Ukraine contribute to this, the team of the Crimean prosecutor's office announced its withdrawal from the subordination of the General Prosecutor's Office of Ukraine. We will work exclusively for the benefit of the inhabitants of Crimea. As for Makhnitsky, I only know that for some time he worked as an investigator in the prosecutor's office of the Lviv region, but more is known about him in the field of politics.

I have never been a member of any party, as I understand that the prosecutor should be out of politics. We must be apolitical, but we must not be blind! A small but important detail that speaks for itself. According to Article 112 of the Constitution of Ukraine, the Acting President of Ukraine, prior to assuming the post of the new President of Ukraine, is expressly prohibited from exercising the powers related to the appointment of the Prosecutor General of Ukraine and submitting proposals to the Parliament on the appointment of the Minister of Defense of Ukraine and the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine.

By the way, Makhnitsky has already accused you of seizing power and even threatens with criminal liability. How do you rate it?

I was informed that a criminal case had been initiated against me from the Prosecutor General's Office. But I'm not a criminal to be afraid of something. They initiate criminal cases against me, because it is unpleasant for them to hear the truth about them. I am not afraid of the truth and I believe that justice will prevail sooner or later.

“There will be no neo-fascists in Crimea”

How do you rate your appointment?

From a purely human point of view, I will say that heading the Prosecutor's Office of Crimea is a big responsibility. Being the prosecutor of Crimea in the current situation is not a position for me, but a civil and officer duty to the Crimeans. Now, more than ever, we are obliged to defend the interests of the people, and not individual groups of people, especially those who are radically minded and propagandize the ideals of Nazism and fascism. I officially declare to you: there will be no neo-fascists in Crimea. Everything that depends on me, all my powers will be used to ensure that our people live in a free democratic state. Fascism will not flourish in Crimea, and no one here will simply allow ardent nationalists and radicals to be made heroes. Let them forget once and for all that they can come to us in Crimea and shout their Bandera slogans. And before shouting that the Crimean government is illegitimate, let them first look at themselves.

We noticed that with your arrival at the Crimean prosecutor's office, attacks began on you in the press, mainly in online publications.

It is clear that some Kiev and Ukrainian media want to throw mud at the new government in Crimea, including me. But they couldn’t come up with anything smarter than to get my personal photos somewhere, publish them and ascribe what their imagination allows them to do. I don’t pay attention to this, especially since now it’s just not up to it - I have such a busy schedule that I am at work day and night.

As for my appearance. Believe me, over the course of 12 years of work in the prosecutor's office, my appearance did not bother me. My defendants were organizers and members of various gangster groups, for example, from the Bashmaki organized criminal group, who are serving their sentences in prisons. Draw your own conclusions. So let my appearance lull the vigilance of my opponents (laughs).

As you know, during the clashes in Kyiv, three law enforcement officers from the Crimea were killed, dozens of soldiers were injured. Can we expect that sooner or later someone will answer for attacks on policemen?

We started investigating the facts of attacks on our security forces. At present, nine victims of the special forces "Berkut" have applied to the supervisory authority of the Crimea, who received injuries of varying severity, including gunshot wounds. The Prosecutor’s Office of Crimea organized an investigation into the fact that employees of the Crimean special police battalion “Berkut” were injured while on duty to protect public order during protests in Kyiv. After carrying out priority verification actions, the materials were transferred to the investigative department of the police for pre-trial investigation. The most important investigative actions will be personally carried out by employees of the Prosecutor's Office of Crimea, but, as you understand, it is too early to talk about the results.

And finally, tell us a little about yourself.

I have been living in Crimea since the age of 10. The most wonderful years have passed here, I consider myself a Crimean and I am going to live and work in my native land. I have a hobby: I play the piano, draw pictures, however, there is not enough time for this for a long time. Especially now, when the future of Crimea is at stake.”

- The current Kiev authorities are not given to understand anything. Apparently, this function is closed for them. They understand only what certain puppeteers tell them. And to understand the obvious things - a lot of mind is not needed. Crimea is Russia, it has always been, is and will be.

The problem of Kyiv is in their leaders, but this power is not for life, elections are coming soon. I wish the Ukrainian people that the country prosper and worthy people come to power in Ukraine. The main thing is that they are found there and given the opportunity to come, so that they are not accidentally, or maybe not accidentally arrested or killed.

— Is it possible?

- We see that there are murders of famous people, politicians. Some sacred victims are chosen, as on the Maidan. First, they filmed the poet, and then bang - they killed their own people, but they rang out that they were enemies. Yes, they didn’t kill the enemies, these same radical colleagues killed them, who stood naked with drums in a twenty-degree frost! I know this for sure, because then I worked in the Prosecutor General's Office of Ukraine.

Sacred sacrifices were needed to organize a coup. Create a picture. Completed script.

— Do you mean "heavenly hundred"?

- Yes, "heavenly hundred."

- That is, before 2019, when there will be presidential elections in Ukraine, the current government needs to rethink its position on Crimea?

- Well, why not? You can raise the issue of re-election of the President ahead of schedule.

- You have already said that while working in the Prosecutor General's Office of Ukraine, high-profile criminal cases against current leading politicians fell into your hands. Can you give examples of such cases?

- I directly had criminal proceedings against Klitschko, then a deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, who was suspected of committing the premeditated murder of Andrei Nechepurenko. The victim worked in a large recreation and sports complex in the Pereyaslav-Khmelnitsky district of the Kiev region, which belonged to Klitschko.

There was initially a concealment of the crime: a forensic medical examination was falsified, the cause of death was not established due to multiple injuries of the buried corpse, clothes and material evidence were destroyed. We came there with a search. They examined the cottages that belonged to the Klitschko brothers.

I was a senior procedural head of criminal proceedings. We exhumed the corpse, appointed a new forensic medical examination. She was actually ready, but there was a coup d'état. Before returning to Crimea, I handed over all the materials and physical evidence seized as part of the investigation. I think that now this criminal proceeding is somewhere lost, forgotten. But the time will come when it will be restored.

— Are we talking about the current mayor of Kyiv, Vitali Klitschko?

— Yes, it is him. I remember how, during interrogations, they gave me small gloves with Klitschko's signature. Somewhere I lost them. I'll have to look in the garage, they're probably lying around there.

Photo Vladimir Fedorenko / RIA Novosti

Head of the State Duma Commission for Controlling the Authenticity of Information on Income, Property and Property Liabilities Submitted by Deputies, Natalia Poklonskaya announced the elimination of errors in the declaration of the deputy Leonid Slutsky.

Deputy error

An appeal to the commission with information that Slutsky owns an undeclared plot on Rublyovka came from the Anti-Corruption Foundation (FBK). " All appeals received in the name of the chairman of the commission - in my name - were preliminary considered. Even from those persons who are not subjects initiating an audit by our profile commission. That is, in particular, this is the appeal of the Navalny Anti-Corruption Fund on Slutsky", Poklonskaya told reporters, noting that this appeal was also considered.

According to her, not only Slutsky, but also other deputies also had questions regarding the provision of certificates of declaring land plots for real estate, and they have already applied for corrections in the declarations.

As noted by the parliamentarian, for “technical reasons”, due to the fact that “there were no such problems before”, the deputies submitted a declaration and indicated in the certificate of income a separate house and a separate plot of land. " But if this land under the house is under a separate legal document, then, of course, it must be indicated. And this turned out to be inconsistent. And some deputies did not always pay attention to this, and then, upon presentation of the relevant certificates to make changes, the deadline passed”, - RIA Novosti quotes Poklonskaya.

Therefore, new information, in her words, is already indicated in the declarations for 2017, including from Slutsky. " That is, today there are no omissions that were made in the declaration for 2016", Poklonskaya concluded.

According to her, within a month the deputies have the right to correct the inaccuracies that were indicated in the certificates they provided. Information about the income and property of deputies will be published before April 19, 2018, the head of the commission said.

Need to check FBK

Poklonskaya also said that she intends to contact law enforcement officers regarding the FBK complaint regarding Deputy Slutsky, as she sees signs of a violation of the federal law “On the Protection of Personal Data”.

“Regarding Slutsky, legal documents have been received regarding his real estate. By virtue of the law on the protection of personal data, such documents cannot be in the public domain. Therefore, I will send a request to law enforcement agencies in this regard. ”, - Poklonskaya explained, whose words are quoted by RBC.

FBK lawyer Ivan Zhdanov in turn, RBC told RBC that all the investigations of the fund are based on open sources, they do not violate the law on personal data.

“It is very strange to observe how the State Duma commission, instead of raising the issue of terminating the powers of deputy Slutsky, for which there are undeniable legal grounds, threatens with responsibility those who proved and pointed out a gross violation of the law by deputy Slutsky”, - says Zhdanov.

— Natalya Vladimirovna, you announced the start of a declaration campaign: journalists and public organizations can send you information about facts of corruption among State Duma deputies. How many complaints have been received?

- The appeal that I made is the procedure that has worked for many years, and I just explained it. This is an order for people who want to talk about some violations, about the facts of hiding reliable information about property, assets, accounts by State Duma deputies. So far there have been no messages.

At the beginning of the work of the new convocation of the State Duma, there was an appeal against one of the deputies, but the facts concerned the period of the election campaign and did not concern the work of this person as a deputy. It was information about what happened before he became a deputy. The circumstances set forth in the appeal were in no way within the competence of our parliamentary commission. Therefore, this appeal was not considered by the commission, but at its meeting, which I chaired, it was decided that these facts would be taken into account during the declaration campaign in 2017.

As for public organizations, there was only one appeal. And then not as the chairman of the commission, but as a deputy. It came from the Anti-Corruption Foundation and concerned the mayor of Nizhny Novgorod. As expected, in this regard, I sent a letter to the competent authorities with a request to conduct an audit.

- And what kind of information about the mayor of this city was contained in the appeal of the FBK?

I think all this information is in the public domain. Everything that came from the public was forwarded to law enforcement agencies.

- People are always interested in the personal life of deputies, senior officials, as well as their income. When do you plan to submit your income tax return? What property will you declare?

— I plan to submit the declaration as soon as possible. Already in February we will prepare it with my assistants. In fact, I have not changed anything compared to the previous period. Therefore, it will not be difficult to draw up this declaration, collect all the necessary certificates and submit it before April 1. The declaration for 2016 will include a service apartment in Simferopol, which I was entitled to as the Prosecutor of the Republic of Crimea. There will be no Moscow service apartment there - the documents for it were finalized only in January. Unfortunately, there is no housing. I can’t say yet about the exact amount of income, because I don’t have all the necessary certificates on hand.

- And what next of kin will be declared?

- What concerns me personally and my minor child, Anastasia's daughter, will be declared.

- Aleksey Uchitel said the other day that he would file an application with the Prosecutor General's Office against you "and other opponents of Matilda." How will you react?

• Poklonskaya commented on the Teacher's intention to file a lawsuit with the Prosecutor General's Office against her

- My reaction is completely calm, because during the period of my service in the prosecutor's office - and this is 15 years - they often complained about me. My work is what I do in the interests of the state and in the interests of the people. I've received requests - I have to consider them. That is, I will by no means hide these appeals in a nightstand or closet. Appeals regarding the film "Matilda" were addressed to me with about 20 thousand signatures of citizens attached - a check was organized. The results of my work do not always bring joy to some people. If they have questions about my work, from Alexey Uchitel or from other people, they can make their statements about this - this is their right. I regard this as a defensive reaction, since it is known that the best defense is an attack.

— After the scandalous stories in the field of art (exhibition of photographs by Jock Sturges, the play "Tannhäuser", the exhibition of dead animals by Jan Fabre in the Hermitage, the film "Matilda"), maybe we should think over the mechanisms of public regulation? Acceptance of certain works of art. Maybe we should create special expert groups?

- You can create a lot of expert groups on various issues. But why reinvent the wheel? There are already law enforcement agencies, the prosecutor's office. There are appeals of people to these structures. It is simply necessary to fully and objectively consider the appeals of people who believe that their rights have been violated. And not to make replies, they say, something doesn’t work out, that somewhere they didn’t see something, and the like. Government agencies need to fulfill their responsibilities. For example, the exhibition of dead animals is propaganda of violence, cruelty to animals. Is there a need for an expert committee? It just needs to be checked by the competent structures, to respond to this documentedly so that such things do not happen again. Here, expert groups will help, which, by the way, can be created on the proposal of the prosecutor's office.

— Let's talk about your work as Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Anti-Corruption Committee. How do you think the legislation in this area should be improved?

- First of all, it is necessary to fulfill and comply with those requirements and norms that are already prescribed in the current legislation. The current laws regulate absolutely all issues, touch upon all the problems that arise in practice in anti-corruption work. Of course, maybe there are gaps and points that need to be improved. But if the law enforcement agencies fully used the powers and levers that are already provided, then it would be easier to understand what needs to be improved.

I asked law enforcement agencies - the prosecutor's office, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB, the Supreme Court of Russia - for information on whether there are any problems in law enforcement practice in the area related to the work of law enforcement officers in anti-corruption work. If they have problems that have not been worked out at the legislative level, or suggestions on how to improve the law so that corruption can be fought more easily and effectively, I will work out these information and materials and propose amendments to the legislation.

- The media reported that you propose to control the income of the ex-wives of officials as affiliates. How to identify such cases among deputies and officials? Are children of officials affiliated? At what stage is the bill now?

– In each specific case, it is necessary to conduct a check and prove the fact of affiliation . As I said, I made a request for information to government agencies. This information needs to be obtained in order to develop measures so that it is possible to prevent or stop the possibility of disguising or providing false data by officials in terms of property, assets, all the restrictions envisaged. They can do this through fictitious divorces, through registration of their real estate, property or accounts for former spouses or children, close relatives or other people. Therefore, it is necessary to analyze the practice and problems that exist today in identifying such cases. And then discuss them at the round table and make appropriate proposals.

By the way, about children. Do you have any suggestions on how to deal with nepotism?

- And how to fight him? Officials and their families must understand that they are subject to the requirements of the law and society to a greater extent than other people.

If a person goes to perform state functions, to work for the benefit of the people and the state, he must understand that it is necessary to separate his life and work - the duties that he has entrusted to himself.

What bills are you still working on?

— A draft law is in the works on amending several federal laws to simplify the acquisition of Russian citizenship by compatriots living abroad. I am a co-sponsor of this bill. This is a draft law, in accordance with the presidential order of December 12, 2012, on the accelerated procedure for obtaining citizenship by native speakers of the Russian language and culture - the descendants of those who were born in the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union. For those who would like to move to Russia for permanent residence and renounce their current citizenship.

- Previously, proposals were repeatedly made to introduce a polygraph test for officials, including senior officials, as well as for parliamentarians. What is your attitude towards such measure?

• Poklonskaya commented on the possible introduction of a polygraph test for parliamentarians

— My sister is a polygraph examiner. And one day I asked her: "Len, let's test on me how it works." My sister asked me, relatively speaking: “Now is February 3, 2016. Right?" I answer: "Yes." "It's sunny outside now, isn't it?" - "Yes". Then she shows me the result and says: “You fooled the polygraph! It's 2017 now, not 2016." I just didn't pay attention at the moment. Similarly, a person who will be examined on a polygraph will be able to deceive him, believing that he is right. Therefore, the results of polygraphic research are not 100% reliable; they cannot be the basis for accusing a person of committing a particular crime. The results of the polygraph examination must be confirmed by the totality of all the circumstances and the data collected. If it is advisable to use a polygraph to check an official, including on his initiative, this, of course, can be used. But the universal use of the polygraph is unjustified.

- In Russia, various initiators proposed to introduce punishment for the promise of a bribe. Is it necessary, in your opinion, to punish for the promise of a bribe?

- If we provide for liability in the Criminal Code for every intention to commit an illegal act, then every resident of our country will have a criminal record. The offer of a bribe can also be a joke or a hoax and have no real consequences. Suppose someone offered a bribe, but did not intend to give this bribe later, he was just joking. But he has already been prosecuted, he already has a criminal record. But this person also has children who later want to enter the Faculty of Law, want to serve for the good of their homeland. But they won’t be able to, because the parent has a criminal record, because he once joked or promised to give a bribe.

I do not think that it is worth introducing such responsibility, especially criminal. In the current Criminal Code there are enough articles - both giving a bribe and attempting to give a bribe - that represent an unfinished corpus delicti. If law enforcement agencies record the criminal activity of some official, then the persons who provoked, committed crimes under the composition of “giving a bribe” will be involved. If someone sees in such a proposal (introduce punishment for the promise of a bribe. - RT) meaning, then you need to approach this very carefully - this is a delicate issue. Because as a result of such an innovation, every second or third resident will have a criminal record. And not only for offering to give a bribe, but for any offer to do something illegal, but with no real intention to do so.

- Former Minister of Economic Development Alexei Ulyukaev was accused of extortion and taking a bribe of $2 million. Should the corrupt actions of senior officials, like the case with Ulyukaev, be equated with treason?

- It happens that an ordinary policeman receives a "reward" in the form of food or a bribe of 20-30 thousand rubles. And in such cases, the officials accused of this receive the full program, taking into account all the aggravating circumstances. And from an official of such a level as a federal minister, the demand should be much greater. But, clearly, guilt must be proven. And the measure of punishment in court will be determined, including taking into account the official position of this official. But treason is punishable under another specific article. For receiving and extorting a bribe, there should be a punishment no less (than for high treason. - RT), but two different elements of the crime should not be confused - the article for high treason involves completely different actions than the article for taking a bribe.

- Does the experience of working as a prosecutor help you in deputy work? Do you plan to return to the prosecutor's office after some time?

- I live this prosecutorial experience ( laughs). Everything that I have learned, all my work consists of prosecutorial experience. Since 2002, I have been working in the prosecutor's office, and for me this is a more comfortable environment.

Of course, prosecutorial experience helps me in my work. For example, an elementary moment is the appeals of citizens. Conducting prosecutorial checks on compliance with the law on citizens' appeals in other departments, we revealed gross violations. So, these are cases when citizens' appeals were not considered - a selective approach to appeals was applied. Either the deadline for consideration was violated, or the answer was incorrectly given. Being a member of the State Duma, I understand how work with citizens' appeals is carried out, how to work with the relevant departments on inspections, and so on.

As for the return to the prosecutor's office, this is how it will turn out. Where they determine, appoint - there I will be. My job is to serve my country. Where it is necessary to serve, there I will serve ( smiling).

- What goals do you set for yourself as deputy chairman of the Duma Anti-Corruption Committee?

The goal is to do your job well. I have been instructed to head the commission for monitoring the income and expenses of State Duma deputies. The work of this commission involves considering all applications received, conducting inspections, and identifying violations. Therefore, the goal is to perform in detail, comprehensively and completely those functions that are assigned.

- Do you follow the development of Crimea?

- I not only follow, but also worry about how Crimea is developing. My parents and I live in the Crimea. It is very pleasant to see how the Russian Crimea is connecting with the Russian Caucasus before our eyes - that grandiose construction that is taking place under the personal control and on the initiative of our president - the Kerch Bridge. It's nice to see how the infrastructure of the airport in Simferopol is developing. All this is very joyful. But there are also negative aspects: this is the condition of the roads, these are various problems of local and regional significance. Of course, they are being resolved, but it is necessary to take all measures, use all your strength, including me, so that the solution of these problems takes place more actively.

- You have extensive experience in the prosecutor's office of Ukraine. Do you know about corrupt officials or corrupt deputies of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine?

• Poklonskaya: I have materials on specific corrupt officials in Ukraine

- Of course, it is known, but I worked in the Prosecutor General's Office of Ukraine. And my former colleagues from the Prosecutor General's Office of Ukraine know these facts. Maybe someone lacks the fortitude to work with it.

If there is a desire from my former colleagues from the Prosecutor General's Office of Ukraine to receive materials on specific deputies of the Verkhovna Rada and officials of the highest echelon of power in Ukraine on corruption, I can provide it. Let them only make an official request.

Of course, it is possible and necessary to talk about corruption. But how to call what is happening now in the south-east of Ukraine - in the Donbass - and the lack of a reaction from the prosecutor's office of Ukraine?! When children, old people are killed under their noses, civilians are bombed. And no measures are taken, no one is held accountable among those leaders of Ukraine who are in charge of these war crimes.

Comparing the socially dangerous consequences of corruption and war crimes that are being committed in the Donbass today, it is first of all necessary to respond to these war crimes. As for corruption, if colleagues from Ukraine want to get it, let them apply, I will provide it.

The media reported on a new money laundering scheme. A non-resident files a claim for debt collection in court against a resident, a citizen of Russia. The resident agrees to write off the debt, a court decision is made, and the bailiff service debits the money from the resident's account, transferring it to a non-resident abroad to a foreign bank. How should this problem be solved?

- The solution is to fulfill their duties to law enforcement agencies. It is they who should reveal such facts, including with the participation of the bailiff service. Collect materials about this, including the official structure of the crime on the part of the FSSP employees, if such cases really take place. And decide on the initiation of criminal cases. Law enforcement needs to work.

- Our readers are interested in who your grandparents were. Could you tell about it?

• Poklonskaya spoke about her grandparents

- It's personal already quite ( smiling). For me they are the best. For example, one grandmother, she is 89 years old, who, thank God, lives. She now lives in Luhansk on the territory of the LPR. In no case is she going to leave and does not want to, because this is her native land. She is already a hero - she survived the years of the war, and now - the second war. And he says: "I will not die until peace comes again to our land." I have such grandparents, I am proud of them. And who they were, or the pedigree is personal ( smiling).

- Do you communicate often? What does the grandmother say about the aggravation of the situation in the Donbass?

Of course, we are constantly in touch.

It is impossible to call the situation in Donbass otherwise than a war.

— On February 2, Vladimir Putin appointed Oleg Kamshilov to the position of Prosecutor of Crimea. Do you communicate with him?

No, I don't talk. And unfortunately I don't know him. I am sure that he is a worthy person and that he will succeed in his new position, I wish him success! I would like the staff of the prosecutor's office of the Republic of Crimea to be preserved. Because this is a team that at the most crucial time for our republic, for our peninsula was able to organize itself, was able to support. These are employees who adequately fulfilled their duty to protect their homeland, to protect officer honor.

- What advice would you give to young patriots who want to follow your path - to serve their country in government agencies - but due to the fact that they are inferior to older, more experienced people at the competition, they cannot get there?

Both more experienced people and young professionals have their pros and cons. For example, a young specialist's eyes are burning, he wants to show that he is able to move mountains. It is important to show what is required of him. And this person will try, will grow, achieve his goals. It is very important that I want to wish such people - let them believe in themselves, in their strength. And the most important thing is that when they achieve that goal of theirs, the most desirable goal - to become a good specialist, to receive a general's rank - let them always remember that it is necessary to do this in good conscience. You can’t betray, you can’t step over people, you need to value friendship, and everything will be fine with them. Good luck and God bless!